Reality is real. Whether my stories have any personal truth to them or not, it's the other side of the "coin" and is usually are very good points whether you agree with them or not. People only like hearing only one side to every story and that disturbs me. Yes I was a debate major in college. It's Reality. Don't get panties in an uproar as most do on this site. Accept it as an alternate view and Move on!!! No need to start drama. None intended. Why can't people just say yep I see your side instead of starting drama? 

because debate is drama! a debate can be considered as an argument or a prolonged discussion and since a debate mainly focuses on opposite point of views it creates drama for persons who are passionate on the view they are representing. If a person says oh i see your side then most likey they are lieing so why say it unless you mean it. If I feel strongly about something that was different from your opinion seeingy our point of view would be too difficult and thats why people dont say that because many times they dont see it your way no matter how much sense and truth you share. 

We all want to be right and be recognized for it; it's one of the five needs in the pyramid of need explained by Maslow; recognition and acceptance. A debate doesn't necessary create drama; people unable to accept or at least respect a deifferent point of view create the drama. If I agree with you, fine, if I don't fine too; however, I will express my opinion on the matter. If I happen to realize the validity of your opinion and is supported by facts; then I'll drop it and acknowledge that you were right. If not, I'll express my opinion and the facts to support it. I've agreed and disagreed with people on here regarding several subjects, but that's just the way it is. I personally like to hear both sides of the story so I can weigh and measure them and see who sounds more believeable. I love a good debate, I enjoy arguing too; is funny the way some individuals get all worked up over the simplest things. :D I apologize if I sound a bit technichal, I'm writting a school paper on NASA and just came on here to help a bit of writer's block I had :P 

Thank you for acknowledging that there is another side. Debate doesn't have to be drama filled with a bunch of name calling and false accusations like what you made against me. That is a whole other topic. Debate is acknowledging that there is another side to things...doesn't make it wrong or right whether you agree with it or not. But to say this is the best and only way...says who? Dr. Seuss? 

Thank you MaryJane. Very good. Very appreciative. 

Well I want to apologize ahead of time because I knowt his will be long because I have plenty of my opinion to go around... :-) I agree with house... debate does create drama. If you agree with the other person then there is no debate. Debate is created by differences in opinion. I also just looked up the definition and house got what she said right from the dictionary. Debating is seen as an argument and an argument is drama. The drama does not always have to be negative but it is always drama whether we like it or not. MJ you make a good point but you’re talking about people’s views being based on facts which are not the case here on underground. Everyone’s views are opinions and are based on personal experiences so to have a debate on personal issues that affect us as individuals personally will cause for there to be a high level of drama in a debate. Also you can assume people get worked up over things they say on here because you don’t necessarily know there mood since you can’t see them. I can simply call people on here names all day doesn’t mean I’m mad it just means I’m trying to get you mad or that just how I express myself at times. If someone disagrees with you it does not mean they are mad at you they just don’t like your opinion. I k now I personally hate hypocritical opinions you know the ones that make no sense because it is contradictive and I may name call nothing like b!tch or anything but doesn’t mean I’m mad it’s just for lack of a better word that all. Well anyways I’m bored and I just figured I would jump in. these been allot of drama around here and I figured this has stemmed from the Breast feeding "debate"... well there are two sides to every story and whichever side you are on that the side you will always feel is right and people like to fight for what they believe in. House!! I agree with what you say about the drama simply because I have never been to a debate that didn’t have drama unless it was in a school environment where it could be controlled by professors to limit the amount of drama. But I do disagree on one part if I say I agree with someone points or that I see what you are saying is not to difficult to do even while you continue believing in your view.. I have argued with people and in the middles somewhere realized that hey they are making sense and I have told them still while maintaining my opinion without having to lie to the other person. MJ..You didn’t sound technical again what you said was just another opinion and it was appreciated. I always like reading your threads MJ. I’m not too impressed with the threads vie read from Reality and House though. The BFing debate got out of hand with the two of t hem and they were both to blame. That was not even a debate it was just conversation that got ugly. 

Diane- Thank you for acknowledging that one can agree to a person's points without actually agreeing. Sometimes I do get out of hand, as much as I try not to. It really irritates me that people are sooo one sided and see nothing on the otherside. I did agree with breastfeeding the whole time while maintaining my position against it in public. Hence--debate. 

I'll tell you what starts the drama on here...ignorant people! People who get on this site and see something that upsets them or thier opinion. They don't have to go so far as name calling and putting people down. For me it just makes the person sound even more ignorant. ...opinions are like "you know what", everybody has one; as soon as everybody realizes this and accepts the wonders of being able to voice them. There are fal less fortunate people who are unable to decide or voice opinions. So not only is it a right, it is a privilege. 

And which category do you fall Penelope? Sounds like you're in the pot with the rest of us. 

Reality and Diane, Did you guys notice how all three of us have different opinions about drama, debates and all that? Yet, we are able to talk about it without crating any "drama"; this is a debate. Well, at least it was till... Penelope, We're all ignorant of something.Ignorance means "not having knowledge of, not knowing, unaware..." Yes, ignorance create conflict but it is and should not be taken as an insult. We were all having a discussion, but you are trying to start the drama. A lot of things that are said on this website bother a lot of people, me personally, but not everyone answer to them. Therefore, in this case you would be the one trying to create drama. 

I agree MJ. No one cussing, calling names, etc. No drama, but still debating the term. That was til Penelope jumped threads. =) 

you know I know I get offended and mad but this thread has nothing on here to make any mad or to create drama all it staes is how we all view the different topics and the different ways we have each approach them. I got a nasty message from someone but why do you have to message me behind the scene why not say what you have to say here to everyone. And why was your account created the same day you messaged me afraid I may find out who you are! Its ok that drama is on this site its meant for us to vent our issues but actually to whom ever you are being a women is being able to look passed it and not dwell on those issues after they are no longer an issue. i can yell and get mad and tell people off on one topic and agree with them on another and still talk to them on another thread. If your mad then fine I get mad too but too hold a grudge on someone because the disagreed with you and then to curse me out behind the scenes what does that accomplish really!? reality how did you find out who messaged you i dont know how to search for people on here and to see if t ehy created another account let me know please. thanks 

crazy thing is I dont even remember saying anything about the Breastfeeding all i did was come on here and give an opinion... hmmm I said something on this thread, i wonder if I offended someone on here... well anyways does anyone know how to block people from messaging me on the side. any info would help. house I got your message and yes thats the same person.. did they message you? do you know who they are??? 

Yeah I feel the same I do not stay mad, if another thread starts then I will talk with everyone on that thread I will not bring the drama from an old thread on a new one... I just checked and her account was created today as well as her bookoo account... did you get my last message about what she wrote me she says she know who I am; and that I can’t hide behind my screen name... as if I’ve ever tried to hide my identity. I used t o be brooks on here but I didn’t get a new account I changed my name which it clearly shows if you click on my name and my email and bookoo account all match now with iamcleaningouthouse. If I was trying to hide who I was why did I have brooks on my last name DUH!!! well now you know.. there JENNY my secret is out..lmao 

You know RSI she could’ve been addressing me in this thread when she said ignorant people for all I know. I don’t know she came on here so mad with this thread it was just a simple convoy about how people react/over react to things and how people view DRAMA! She called someone on here ignorant but she sounded ignorant herself by posting that. This is what she wrote: I'll tell you what starts the drama on here...ignorant people! People who get on this site and see something that upsets them or their opinion. They don't have to go so far as name calling and putting people down. For me it just makes the person sound even more ignorant. Isn’t it ironic how she did everything she's calling out others for doing...? I guess in a way she’s calling herself ignorant. 

I meant convo not convoy*** sorry 

I'm with ya House. I wonder if she realized she was categorizing herself while she was typing that? HEHE But I think she took the BF thread to heart. I don't think I ticked anyone else off today. And we're all getting incredible fan mail.. Fox's profile says "I hate all you b*tches." ROFLMAO 

I seriously can’t believe she that offended. I know me and you RSI were going back and forth for a while on the BF one but I don’t hate you nor do I have bad t thoughts...lol... it was just exchange of opinions and some other stuff but that’s all it was. There was no reason for anyone to take anything to heart. It’s just a thread and many of us get worked up on certain topics but we move on and continue to other topics we don’t allow ourselves to get so get involved in one topic that we begin to harass each other personally with "fan mail". It escaladed to far I can’t believe she went to the point to create a new account just to talk down to you and then do it behind everyone’s back to your personal messages on here. I’m sorry it got that far. I never hold any hard feelings just how I am, I guess fox doesn’t know how to let go. I tried to message back but could you believe she blocked me. She can message me and curse me out but she didn’t give me the pleasure of returning the favor. Oh well what’s done is done... 

Oh man, I missed the whole BF thread...well, I have no kids so no opinion really :P But that Fox girl seems to get worked up rather easily; I've never seen her on here before or did I miss a candid thread? 

I agree House. ummm maybe I should use another word.... Right on House, If anyone should have hard feelings, it would be you and I. But yet here we are, normal conversation. Really?? You couldn't email her back? I could and did. MJ-From what I could tell Fox has no past conversations and the acct was created yesterday. 

loll... I was just thinking that. if we’re not going at it then why anyone else would be going at it with you if we were the ones that took it further than it should have gone. She never really said anything on the Bf thread that showed she was pissed off enough to create a new account just to message you. Yeah I find it fishy when people get on here to talk to trash to others and the account was just created. It’s normally someone who does not want to use their own account because they may be afraid or something. Yeah it said I was blocked from messaging her or something like that. I’m not sure it’s the same person the name I was messaged from said STAR and then when I looked in on her information her name was jenny or so it said and her account was created yesterday as well. I found that fishy immediately; especially since the message was sent to me offline... Who does that unless they are discussing something personal or need information? 

Just an idea...Jenny...Penny?? 

I do feel special that I got to respond back. LOL 

lol I never really thought if that.. thats a huge coincedence... you should feel special I know I did. 

I've been waiting for a second response and was hoping it would be public this time. I don't like keeping things this special to myself. :)